Episode #3: Interview with Recently-Released Men Who Had Been Serving Juvenile Life-Without-Parole Sentences

September 14, 2017

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Episode #3 of the Inside-Out Podcast

In 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court held in Miller v. Alabama that it is unconstitutional to sentence a juvenile offender to mandatory life-without-parole. A 2016 ruling allowed this to be applied retroactively. In practical terms, this means that those juvenile offenders previously sentenced to mandatory life-with-out-parole can seek re-sentencing by the trial court. That is exactly what happened to John Pace, Stacey Torrance, and Charles Brown. They were featured in a Philadelphia Inquirer article from September 6, 2017, about formerly-incarcerated "juvenile lifers." In this, the third episode of the Inside-Out podcast, Dave Krueger talks with them about their experiences of higher education in prison and the role that Inside-Out courses played in their personal and professional development.

Episode Guide:

John Pace:
I served 31 years of a life sentence, most recently at SCI-Graterford. I now work as a program associate for the Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program and lead a monthly support group for those adapting to life outside of prison.

Stacey Torrance:
I went to prison at the age of 14 for second-degree murder and served 29 years of a life without parole sentence. If I would sum up my life up to this present day, in a phrase, I would say: "With every hardship comes a greater relief and benefit. Contemplate the meaning of these words and you will have taken a glimpse of my life.

Charles Brown:
I went to prison at the age of 16 and served 36 years. I hope one day to become a successful entrepreneur. I'm grateful to have a second chance.

The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program:

The Inside-Out Podcast is hosted by David M. Krueger and is a production of The Inside-Out Center at Temple University in Philadelphia. The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program is an educational program that facilitates dialog across cultural differences and social status. It started in 1997, originating as a means to bring together campus-based college students and incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a correctional setting. This educational model has been replicated across the United States and in several countries. It has grown into an international network of nearly 800 trained faculty, 30,000 alumni, and hundreds of higher education and correctional administrators, who have sponsored classes over the past 20 years. Inside-Out seeks to bring about social change through transformative education. To find out more about the program, make a financial contribution, or apply to upcoming Instructor Training Institutes, please visit the website at insideoutcenter.org.


John Pace
After serving 31 years in prison, John now works as a program associate for the Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program.

Stacey Torrance and Charles Brown
Stacey Torrance (left) and Charles Brown (right) served part of their sentences together at SCI-Chester outside of Philadelphia.